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 Registered Member #522 Joined: Wed Aug 13 2008, 04:09PMPosts: 5 | I might be blind, but i just can't find such a list - I expect it to be sticky here, with the ISP names as links to threads dealing with that ISP. Also the search facility doesn't allow <4 character phrases, so it's rather hard to search for sky, o2, Be, zen etc... My current query is on the position of sky, as I'm looking to move from VM (yes I read that sticky) | ||
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| Midnight_Voice |
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 Registered Member #180 Joined: Thu Mar 13 2008, 08:51PMPosts: 753 | You might want to click on the little magnifying glass next to the word 'Search' and get a more versatile search dialogue. But the Search is still broken :-( My best shot was to Search for 'Phorm' with Must Contain 'Sky' However, it seems to find a lot of postings that don't contain the word 'Sky'. I also tried searching for 'Sky*', which finds words beginning with 'sky', but not the word 'sky ' itself. Searching for 'Sky ' or 'Sky *' is no good, either. Ho hum [ Edited Wed Aug 13 2008, 10:18PM ] I'm a nonconPhormist; I won't be conned by Phorm | ||
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| Mel |
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 Registered Member #137 Joined: Sat Mar 08 2008, 06:00PMPosts: 322 | I get the impression that Sky are waiting to see how the Phorming Three's customers react - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/29/phorm_broadband_isp_targets/ Meanwhile a spokesman for Sky, the UK's fastest growing broadband network with about 1.2 million lines, said: "Sky is interested in exploring the potential for targeted online advertising and is talking with a number of companies operating in this area. "Of paramount importance is the online safety of our customers and will only implement a solution when we can use customer data in a responsible way which safeguards privacy." Which is why I didn't take them up on a very good deal to move my phone service to them. [ Edited Wed Aug 13 2008, 11:30PM ] | ||
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| Cowherd |
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 Registered Member #352 Joined: Fri Apr 18 2008, 08:28AMPosts: 164 | SKY: "Of paramount importance is the online safety of our customers and will only implement a solution when we can use customer data in a responsible way which safeguards privacy." ISPs need to learn that they have no right to "use" customer's data in any way, ever. It would be unacceptable for the Post Office to "use" the contents of mail I send/receive and unacceptable for a telephone operator to "use" the content of my telephone conversations, so why do ISPs think it OK to "use" my private Internet data? Phorm, just say NO! | ||
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| felixcatuk |
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felixcatuk   Registered Member #95 Joined: Wed Mar 05 2008, 12:03AMPosts: 2584 | Its a good idea. I thought it might be helpful to have a voting mechanism to people discover the best and worst. I could create a sticky thread with details of statements by each ISP who is a Phorm (or Nebuad etc) partner. Let me discuss with Jim and the team. [ Edited Thu Aug 14 2008, 09:46AM ] Ready to leave BT? Call 0800 800 030 / 0800 328 6738, get your MAC code | ||
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| Bob |
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| Registered Member #522 Joined: Wed Aug 13 2008, 04:09PMPosts: 5 | Adding any statements the other way would be good as well. Thanks | ||
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| Gordon |
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 Registered Member #287 Joined: Thu Apr 03 2008, 08:06PMPosts: 358 | Part of the problem is reading between the lines of cautious statements. A statement that "we currently have no plans to use Phorm" from an ISP with a history of honesty, keeping its users informed, etc. could mean "Not as long as I'm in charge of this outfit, but I'd better stick the word "currently" in just to cover myself in case we get bought out in six months' time". The same statement from an ISP with a habit of moving the goalposts could mean "We won't do anything about it until next month". | ||
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| Bob |
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| Registered Member #522 Joined: Wed Aug 13 2008, 04:09PMPosts: 5 | I've just an email from sky in response to the following: What is the official position on the possibility of relationships between sky and phorm, or any similar organisation. Dear [Bob], Thank you for contacting Sky Broadband Technical Support. Sky have no plans to associate themselves with organizations such as Phorm. If you need further help or information, please reply to this email or contact us on 08442 41 05 15. Kind regards David Sky Broadband Technical Support Sky [ Edited Sat Aug 16 2008, 11:17AM ] | ||
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| madslug |
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| Registered Member #266 Joined: Tue Apr 01 2008, 12:11PMPosts: 771 | I was thinking about the initial posts and realised that there is no list of ISPs available anywhere. Many ISPs are actually white label resellers of other ISPs, some selling one product from one ISP and another product from another ISP. Getting a phorm-feel for the original supplier of the internet connection could be useful, and then rank ISPs according to their supplier's stance on Phorm et al. I do know that LLU supplied internet connections are 'different' from direct to BTW connections. By that I mean, some ISPs can only supply to lines which are under the control of BTW but others can connect to any type of connection whether LLU or cable - does that mean that they are resellers for these other suppliers too? Who is tracking your surfing? iCab mobile browser with its privacy controls now available to iPhone and iPod from the App Store - turn images off for faster and beacon free surfing. | ||
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| Gordon |
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| Registered Member #287 Joined: Thu Apr 03 2008, 08:06PMPosts: 358 | "others can connect to any type of connection whether LLU or cable - does that mean that they are resellers for these other suppliers too?" I don't know the ins and outs of responsibilities, but, while it may be a straight rebadged product in some cases, I wouldn't normally think of it quite like that, I'd see the LLU supplier as being more the equivalent of BT Wholesale than BT Retail. For example, I remember reading about a year ago that your own ISP, Griffin, had started using Tiscali LLU - but I'd still regard it as a Griffin "product", very different to something like Post Office Broadband being a rebadged BT Retail offering. Edit: Found Griffin's own announcement (June 2007) about the Tiscali deal, which doubtless explains it better than my clumsy attempt: http://www.griffin.com/news/TiscaliUKPartner.aspx [ Edited Sat Aug 16 2008, 11:12PM ] | ||
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