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 Registered Member #505 Joined: Tue Jul 29 2008, 11:09AMPosts: 12 | Frank: And if an ISP chooses to offer their services for free in exchange for this technology been in place? | ||
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 Registered Member #75 Joined: Sun Mar 02 2008, 06:49PMPosts: 183 | That will never happen. Besides those models have been used before (free pc if you take ads, free phone calls if you listen to a 30 second commercial...) Customers are wising up to this nonsense. They won't have it. | ||
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| Registered Member #505 Joined: Tue Jul 29 2008, 11:09AMPosts: 12 | Frank - I disagree. I do see a time where ISP provision is totally free and it is supported by a company like Phorm. Some consumers would be ok with this. Based on what I know so far, I would take free quality broadband in exchange for this type of advertising. And as a consumer thats my choice. Presuming an ISP would provide its services for free in exchange for the consumer having these types of ads served, are you ok with that or against it? And to those others on this forum, do you share Frank's opinion? | ||
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| Frank Rizzo |
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| Registered Member #75 Joined: Sun Mar 02 2008, 06:49PMPosts: 183 | I am against it for the two reasons I have already stated: The interception and processing of data of the individual is unacceptable and illegal without their consent (but you would agree to be profiled and that is your choice). The interception and processing of data of the website content is unacceptable and illegal. As I have already said these systems are stealing copyrighted content in order to drive customers to competitors. You have not acknowledged that point at all. Even if the opt-in / user consent is sorted out the website content copyright could be the thing which halts all this type of spying / adware in its tracks. Let me ask you a question. Are you happy that a company such as Phorm, with their history of spyware / 121 media / People on Page / rootkits and such are behind this? If The Mother Theresa Foundation had conceived an advertising model such as this then there would be a lot more credibility and acceptance of this type of advertising. Unfortunately Kent is no Mother Theresa. [ Edited Tue Jul 29 2008, 12:11PM ] | ||
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 Registered Member #180 Joined: Thu Mar 13 2008, 08:51PMPosts: 412 | daxthink wrote ... Midnight_voice - happy to accept all comments on the blog post but havent had your submitted. if you send it in as a blog comment then I will accept it. It all contributes to the debate. Thanks, Dax. I thought I'd submitted it on Saturday, though the process did seem to go a little odd on me, getting into an endless loop of some sort. I've just submitted it again, and this time I saw a message saying it had been saved, which I didn't see before, so I'm hopeful you have it now. Very nice to see you on here and engaging with the topic, by the way. You sound like just the sort of person we need to convince of the perniciousness of Phorm - tech-savvy, marketing-savvy, but coming from a where's-the-harm-in-it, well-it's-going-to-happen-anyway sort of stance. Let's hope that at the very least, we can help you understand just why we feel as we do, and why we think that all well-informed consumers of broadband service will come to feel the same way. I'm a nonconPhormist; I won't be conned by Phorm | ||
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| Registered Member #505 Joined: Tue Jul 29 2008, 11:09AMPosts: 12 | Valid point re the copyrighted material. Not sure currently, will be asking them more about that when they visit the office. Would like to hear both sides. | ||
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| Sammy |
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Sammy   Registered Member #143 Joined: Sun Mar 09 2008, 08:36PMPosts: 637 | daxthink wrote ... Frank - I want to establish a benchmark of acceptability for want of a different phrase to help me understand the POV of this forum. As a start, what is your stance on Gmail analysing your personal emails to determine the best ads to show you? Is this acceptable (or 'more' acceptable because you have the choice not to use Gmail? Simply Dax - Webwise is a System designed with a general idea of what the population may or may not find acceptable; and is completely inconsiderate, ignorant, opportunistic, invasive, obscene and no less than created through madness!!! There is alot of talk how we are now in the days of www2, maybe so - but is this new age a rebirth of the wild west of the US in the 1800s? You may be in Marketing, and you may see an opportunity here - well IMHO, you will lose out as more and more customers leave ISPs who sign up for Phorm and the likes of. I've visited your site, and see you guys have conducted extensive research - so I've a challenge for you and your Company. Take this opportunity and do some Customer Research in regards of Webwise, utilising a 50/50 split between Pro and Anti Phorm - and then release to the public. (Consult both Pro and Anti Phorm for a well balanced Research Document to present to your audience first - and like I said a 50/50 split is paramount) Then I will take you serious. Protect your Privacy; Stop Phorm Petition Government to Stop Phorm | Stop Phorm on Bebo | ||
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| Registered Member #505 Joined: Tue Jul 29 2008, 11:09AMPosts: 12 | Hi Sammy, Firstly I must be clear that whilst I work for ICrossing and am interested for the purpose of potentially utilising the technology for future iCrossing campaigns, the opinions I express here and on the blog are my own opinion only. We have a very healthy debate taking place internally too on this topic with a variety of opinions. Re the research idea, its an interesting idea. Not directly within our field to run research answering that question but will consider it. | ||
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| Registered Member #505 Joined: Tue Jul 29 2008, 11:09AMPosts: 12 | Cross posted... Midnight_voice: I received it this time and have approved it, should be live now. My goal is to assess Phorm like I would any other marketing opportunity, and I am trying to maintain very balanced in opinion until both sides have had chance to speak. Currently I am hearing a lot of the negatives, and I will let them have their say next month before making a decision on my stance for the company. | ||
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| Sammy Registered Member #143 Joined: Sun Mar 09 2008, 08:36PMPosts: 637 | daxthink I have only one thing to say, and thats considering Research is far greater than has been indicated by any other party over the past few months. I say, do it - if you don't someone else will!!! Make some money from your research, and find the truth that the public will shy away from Webwise, if correctly presented towards them in a balanced paper; as we have found by speaking to, and presenting the facts only, to the public since February. Protect your Privacy; Stop Phorm Petition Government to Stop Phorm | Stop Phorm on Bebo | ||
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