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| Simplepieman |
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 Registered Member #296 Joined: Sat Apr 05 2008, 01:42PMPosts: 86 | Reconstituted - see later post. [ Edited Mon May 05 2008, 10:32AM ] | ||
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| Simplepieman |
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| Registered Member #296 Joined: Sat Apr 05 2008, 01:42PMPosts: 86 | Okay I tried to post from my mobile with a fold-out keyboard and found the JVM or Opera was limiting my post to 400 chars because of some limitation in the text handling. Here it is reconstituted: >>> Whatever Simon says I think there is enough evidence to suggest BT were about to sign a deal as far back as June 07 and the people involved in the project back then did everything they could to keep it under wraps even internally within BT. Emma Sandersons comments about extensive advice duly noted yet ignored by me. Look at a graph of the share price, note the peak last summer and the start of the most recent climb as early as Dec. Listen to Kent's explanation for the summer peak in the Charles Arthur interview and compare that to the size of the peak. I firmly believe that BT got twitchy and here is where a time line would be very useful. 80/20 (=4?) and the approach to the Home Office came in Jan. TT and VM are just pawns to satisfy a certain Director's worry about lost revenue and customers. It didn't matter that VM didn't actually sign to deploy the system, just that more names than BT were associated with the announcement. Put the E&Y report on the time line too, and the bagging of key staff such as Drayton. The whole affair smacks of an aborted deployment followed by an internal bun fight and the recruiting of Simon Davies and 4 thinking. Check the press released and regulatory announcements to the stock market for other things for the timeline. <<< [ Edited Mon May 05 2008, 10:32AM ] | ||
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felixcatuk   Registered Member #95 Joined: Wed Mar 05 2008, 12:03AMPosts: 1705 | Simplepieman wrote ... 80/20 (=4?) and the approach to the Home Office came in Jan. I hadn't twigged that. You're dead right. 80/20 is formed and immediately a request goes to Simon Watkin (who is very familiar to Simon Davis through the debate over the RIPA legislation). I think you're on to something here. [ image disabled ] BT/Virgin/TalkTalk customers - you don't need Webwise and Phorm, pure and simple. Regulators will not protect you from Phorm. Protect your privacy. Protect your web content. Phorm must be stopped. www.Dephormation.org.uk: Free Anti-Phorm Countermeasures for Firefox Users and Web Sites 21,000 people signed the No. 10 Downing Street Petition Ready to leave BT? Call 0800 800 030 / 0800 328 6738, get your MAC code PhormUKPRTeam/PhormUKTechTeam is a PR consultant from Citigate Dewe Rogerson. | ||
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| Frank Rizzo |
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 Registered Member #75 Joined: Sun Mar 02 2008, 06:49PMPosts: 185 | Please excuse the cross posting but I am sure the mods at CF are twitchy and may delete the (valid) post I made there. If mods here wish to delete then so be it but it won't stop me from not trusting Simon. ------------------------- [Section Deteted by Admin] The whole PIA issue is going to be a whitewash pure and simple. It is not an independent public enquiry such as after a train crash, or a report on airport expansion: it is a paid for assessment where Phorm will have influence on what the PIA report will say. Can you say that your report will be released as-is and never be seen by Phorm in draft form? Will your report go straight from your desk to the general public? Will Phorm get to change bits they do not like? This is the whole point of me banging on about this. If Phorm pay the piper they call the tune. If they don't like the tune they get it changed and the public will not get to hear the bum notes. [Section Deleted by Admin] ------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Admin Note : Portions of this posting have been edited as they contain what, in my opinion, is a personal attack on an individual. I won't allow that here, although the rest of the post is more than able to stand on it's own and asks some pertinant and important questions. Jim, BadPhorm Admin. ------------------------------------------------- [ Edited Mon May 05 2008, 10:45AM ] | ||
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| EtherDreams |
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| Registered Member #185 Joined: Fri Mar 14 2008, 09:27PMPosts: 114 | It isn't just that Phorm, Inc. is paying 80/20 Thinking to do a PIA. 80/20 Thinking voluntarily took on a commission to do more than that, and so far hasn't demonstrated the objectivity, thoroughness, and trustworthiness that it could have and arguably should have. That would be of more than enough concern in light of this very serious issue. However, now Simon Davies as Director of PI (and possibly Gus Hosein as another staff member of PI) has a conflict of interest on this issue and any others related to 80/20 Thinking work. Based on this post: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34544568-post5692.html and having come across no statement on the subject, it appears to me that Simon Davies hasn't even removed himself from any related PI work and recruited someone else to handle it on behalf of PI. No matter how you cut it, it is one heck of a mess, and it isn't really about Simon Davies in particular. Anyone in his current position would be deserving of criticism. So in a sense it isn't even personal. | ||
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  Registered Member #100 Joined: Wed Mar 05 2008, 06:22PMPosts: 649 | That post on CF by Simon is quite worrying. So while 8020 are working on the PIA, PI is on hold regarding the subject of Phorm. Maybe the Government should request a PIA from 8020 for the ID card scheme, that way they could keep PI quiet for a good few months while they start a trial. http://www.DoNotTrustWebwise.org (Personal opinion and statement in this forum post is my copyright and may not be used nor reproduced elsewhere without my permission. To request permission send a personal message using the button below.) | ||
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| BadPhormula |
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 Registered Member #188 Joined: Sun Mar 16 2008, 05:00PMPosts: 233 | Frank Rizzo wrote ... Please excuse the cross posting but I am sure the mods at CF are twitchy and may delete the (valid) post I made there. If mods here wish to delete then so be it but it won't stop me from not trusting Simon. -------------------------<br /><br />[Section Deteted by Admin]<br /> The whole PIA issue is going to be a whitewash pure and simple. It is not an independent public enquiry such as after a train crash, or a report on airport expansion: it is a paid for assessment where Phorm will have influence on what the PIA report will say. Can you say that your report will be released as-is and never be seen by Phorm in draft form? Will your report go straight from your desk to the general public? Will Phorm get to change bits they do not like? This is the whole point of me banging on about this. If Phorm pay the piper they call the tune. If they don't like the tune they get it changed and the public will not get to hear the bum notes. <br />[Section Deleted by Admin]<br /><br />-------------------------<br /><br />-------------------------------------------------<br />Admin Note : <br />Portions of this posting have been edited as they contain what, in my opinion, is a personal attack on an individual. I won't allow that here, although the rest of the post is more than able to stand on it's own and asks some pertinant and important questions.<br /><br />Jim, BadPhorm Admin.<br />------------------------------------------------- Simon is between a rock and a hardplace. He has already stated that Privacy International received a total donation of £130 from the public to show for all his free voluntary privacy work. He setup a limited company for wages and profit in order to provide himself and his family a living, you can't blame a guy for selling out when he gets next to nothing for his privacy work. That is why I feel sorry for Simon, he's had to damage his own credibility and integrity by placing himself into Kent Ertugrul's top pocket (that is truely sickening). People please understand Simon must feed his family as well. Try and put yourself in the mind of prison guard at Auschwitz-Birkenau the inhumanity of those death camps, yet the guard was only following orders under duress - but they still have to live with a lifetime of remorse and guilt afterwards. It's the madmen like Hitler, Himmler (Kent Ertugrul, Stratis Scleparis, Emma Sanderson) who are the architects of these atrocities... Simon his merely a camp guard putting privacy in the furnace at the behest of the evil overlords. If you want to do something send Privacy International £10 or something as a gesture of sympathy for what Simon has to do! [ Edited Tue May 06 2008, 09:33AM ] | ||
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| Midnight_Voice |
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 Registered Member #180 Joined: Thu Mar 13 2008, 08:51PMPosts: 510 | I call Godwin. A little moderation here, please (in both senses of the word). I'm a nonconPhormist; I won't be conned by Phorm | ||
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| Simplepieman |
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| Registered Member #296 Joined: Sat Apr 05 2008, 01:42PMPosts: 86 | Good call. Not seen reference to Mr Godwin for a number of years. Posters can now show their age by indicating whether they had to visit Wikipedia or not to get the reference! | ||
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| Paladine |
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| Registered Member #181 Joined: Thu Mar 13 2008, 10:48PMPosts: 134 | OK I am trying to find out if I can get hold of the questions and answers panel from one of the media sources who were present at the meeting. I have fired off an email to the BBC to see if they still have and would be willing to release the audio recording of the event. Failing that I will contact C4 (although I am pretty sure they were not in the lecture theatre during the questions and answers panel at the end). Alexander Hanff Deny Phorm the right to intercept web pages and support the Deny Phorm Campaign Visit: http://denyphorm.blogspot.com/ | ||
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