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  Registered Member #95 Joined: Wed Mar 05 2008, 12:03AMPosts: 137 | Given these gentlemen are using Centos Linux, there's a very very good chance they've integrated a GPL application with WebWise. See http://www.webwise.net/ (I've taken a screenie PhormUKPR man Citigate Drew Barrymore whatever your name is its too late, anyone else able to do the same for independent validation confirmation would be a good thing). If so we should be able to require disclosure of the code if we are to be 'users' of this stuff. Anyone know how terms of GPL might apply here? I think the GPL tends to assume you are a willing user of the software that impacts you :o( Pete. [ Edited Fri Mar 14 2008, 01:06AM ] ISP customers; you don't need Phorm, pure and simple. Don't be a passive recipient of Phorm cookies. Until Phorm can be stopped, use the Dephormation Firefox Add On. http://www.dephormation.org.uk Note the user called PhormUKPRTeam/PhormUKTechTeam works for a PR consultancy called Citigate Drew Rogerson. RIPA: ISPs HAVE NO CONSENT FOR INTERCEPTION OF THIS TRANSMISSION ;o) | ||
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| Jim Murray |
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 Registered Member #1 Joined: Thu Feb 21 2008, 08:29PMPosts: 81 | Forget the GPL, all those IP's are still assigned to Fashosts - no effort at proper delegation whatsoever. Yes... you read it right - fasthosts. THIS fasthosts.... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/30/fasthost_hack_update/ That truly is almost beyond belief! Name: webwise.com Addresses: 88.208.250.66, 88.208.250.85, 88.208.248.102 Name: webwise.net Addresses: 88.208.250.85, 88.208.248.102, 88.208.250.66 inetnum: 88.208.250.0 - 88.208.250.255 Admin/press enquiries : [email protected] | ||
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 Registered Member #140 Joined: Sun Mar 09 2008, 02:06AMPosts: 23 | Perhaps they suddenly found they had a certain amount of spare capacity, if comments in El Reg are anything to go by, and Phorm provided them with a convenient way to improve their security. Or is this indicative instead of a turf war between gangs of Russian programmers? No, I don't want to think too much about tha sort of thing.. Even without semantic obfuscation 'do no evil' is a pretty wide brief. | ||
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| RichieISPs |
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| Registered Member #145 Joined: Mon Mar 10 2008, 05:26AMPosts: 33 | OMG Fasthosts & Phorm! 2 companies who take data privacy and security "very seriously"! HAHAHAHA. Got a cap of webwise here Apache | ||
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| Registered Member #145 Joined: Mon Mar 10 2008, 05:26AMPosts: 33 | Felix, don't think the GPL will help you much seethis FAQ. Seems they only have to release source if the program itself is sold or distributed in some way, e.g. embedded on a device etc. It can be used within an organisation or even distributed within an organisation. Thats how people can hack web servers and never have to release source - because the program itself is never distributed. Also they may not bind to GPL or modify GPL modules in which case just because they use a GPLd OS makes no difference (ANAL). wrote ... Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to the public? The GPL does not require you to release your modified version, or any part of it. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization. But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL. Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you. | ||
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| felixcatuk |
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| Registered Member #95 Joined: Wed Mar 05 2008, 12:03AMPosts: 137 | I thought that might be the case. The GPL is not our friend. The GPL doesn't give you privacy rights. Richard Stallman, if you're out there. GNU software and GPL licence being used by Phorm to limit end user freedom and privacy. That can't be what you ever ever intended can it? So, in a nutshell, why can't we see the code? GPL licence terms. ISP customers; you don't need Phorm, pure and simple. Don't be a passive recipient of Phorm cookies. Until Phorm can be stopped, use the Dephormation Firefox Add On. http://www.dephormation.org.uk Note the user called PhormUKPRTeam/PhormUKTechTeam works for a PR consultancy called Citigate Drew Rogerson. RIPA: ISPs HAVE NO CONSENT FOR INTERCEPTION OF THIS TRANSMISSION ;o) | ||
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| Registered Member #92 Joined: Tue Mar 04 2008, 07:20PMPosts: 15 | But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL. Which is still a possible in is it not? after all Phorm have so far been very proud of the fact that the profilers will be owned and operated by the ISPs? However I still see a huge difficulty in getting to the point where we can infer that the GPL code has been modified from them running a linux server. Obviously it's still got to be worth noting all these things. The more we chip away, the more chance we have of getting our way. -- <:3_)~ Serving my notice with Virgin, they've lost V+, phone and broadband over this.... | ||
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| Registered Member #4 Joined: Fri Feb 22 2008, 01:27PMPosts: 9 | I wouldn't be at all surprised if the move to fasthosts wasn't a recent thing. It's clear that at least OIX.COM was hosted in China until very recently: on 203.l93.,173.3 located in TIANJIN hosted by JITONG COMMUNICATION CO. There was an attempt to clear up some of the dodgy looking domain registrations at the end of last month and it looks like the hosting was moved at the same time. | ||
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| felixcatuk |
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| Registered Member #95 Joined: Wed Mar 05 2008, 12:03AMPosts: 137 | Ahh, you now we are talking. >But if you release the modified version to the public in some >way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code >available to the program's users, under the GPL. From Webwise... >Plus, users choose - they can switch the system off or on at >anytime. >The service dispels the myth that data on user browsing >behaviour must be retained and stored in order to provide >more relevant advertising. Plus, users choose - they can >switch the service off or on at anytime. The words are there in the FAQ. Right there. U S E R. Citigate Drew Barrymore, I've taken a snapshot of that text as evidence in your clients terms that I am a user. Others please do same for verification/confirmation purposes. See FAQ on webwise.com So I am the programs USER! Show me the code. Show me the code. Show me the code. [ Edited Fri Mar 14 2008, 10:08AM ] ISP customers; you don't need Phorm, pure and simple. Don't be a passive recipient of Phorm cookies. Until Phorm can be stopped, use the Dephormation Firefox Add On. http://www.dephormation.org.uk Note the user called PhormUKPRTeam/PhormUKTechTeam works for a PR consultancy called Citigate Drew Rogerson. RIPA: ISPs HAVE NO CONSENT FOR INTERCEPTION OF THIS TRANSMISSION ;o) | ||
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| felixcatuk |
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| Registered Member #95 Joined: Wed Mar 05 2008, 12:03AMPosts: 137 | ... or are they still covered by the release to (at?) the public clause? ISP customers; you don't need Phorm, pure and simple. Don't be a passive recipient of Phorm cookies. Until Phorm can be stopped, use the Dephormation Firefox Add On. http://www.dephormation.org.uk Note the user called PhormUKPRTeam/PhormUKTechTeam works for a PR consultancy called Citigate Drew Rogerson. RIPA: ISPs HAVE NO CONSENT FOR INTERCEPTION OF THIS TRANSMISSION ;o) | ||
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